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  1. Morph on September 3, 2013

    If WoW ever goes F2P, I’m back there, for sure, me and my wife, as long as they don’t go pay to win.

    I played WoW for about 3.5 years, and it was the most fun we’ve ever had with any other game. After WoW, I’ve tried almost every MMORPG out there with the same adventure style, and none, absolutely NONE of them has even a third of WoW’s quality.

    There is a pretty good reason why it is so successful, the game is well built, there are loads of content to consume, runs on PC and Mac (which I don’t understand why the “geniuses” out there keep choosing to NOT take part of x% of the market), has hundreds of good addons but lastly and most importantly, the gameplay has no comparison.

    I mean, allow me to talk about Rift for a second. Recently gone F2P, the game is good, and I took it as a new experience and fresh start, lets see. Leveling is fun until lvl 50, from there on, it is dreadful. So, before you even reach max level, you’re as bored as you can be. The game is unplayable without macros, specially for a few classes, and then everything becomes 2 or 3 buttons. Abilities are way too complicated and there are too many, one does not need to choose between 4 abilities that can be used after you block, not to mention, they create a second GCD. As far as the experience goes, just one or another spell has a signature sound or graphical feedback. Most of the time you’re just smashing buttons. But finally, the game is swarmed with bugs. Crashes here and there, no addons that work to customize anything, and although Trion has tried to do a good customization on their end, the result is that their customization is not good enough as you would like it to be but also that discouraged the creation of many addons which could have reached that point, and yes, even Trion’s interface is bugged. Very.

    (Excuse me for the wall of text)

    But, if there is one thing Trion got right is how to go F2P. You can buy gear, but never the top tier, you can level faster paying for potions, or gain more reputation / standing / favor / youGotTheIdea with NPC groups and factions, you can buy bag slots for bags and bank, amongst other cosmetic or time related things, but if you’ve geared up properly to start raiding lets say, you can be as good as anybody else, and that is what motivates people.

    When I stopped playing, it wasn’t because I was burned out of the game, on the contrary, we were raiding top tier content, having a lot of fun, but RL happened and we would need to have a long break (6 months or more) and right after came the expansion, and we just didn’t feel like paying again for yet another expansion.

  2. Anon on September 3, 2013

    WoW would never WANT to go F2P.

    It will have to however. A P2P MMO going F2P is essential a phoenix trick.
    The game rises from the ashes, anew, yet still the same.

    But WoW currently makes a massive amount with its sub+cash shop combo. Going strictly cash shop will be bad business for it, it wont make as much money unless it starts pushing the typical F2P tripe like exp boosters and item drop boosters (and adjusting exp/IDR to compensate) as well as actual useful items, like crafting items and crafting boosters (again, adjusting rates to make them more appealing).

    It’s essentially butchering your own game to try squeeze profit out of it one last time.

    So do they want to do that? God no.
    But I figure they’ll announce free2play either at the same time as they announce WoW2, or after they’ve already released it.

  3. itzteajay on August 31, 2013

    I’m really itching to get a good horror mmo… I see it as a challenge just because being alone and helpless is 90% of what makes a game scary… But I could see something working in maybe a Vindictus type style where you have a safe zone that’s persistent and then you have to run missions that scare the crap out of you in a small group. There would be a lot of kinks to work out but I’m sick of these games claiming to be horror mmo’s but not delivering the scare (Hellgate London, Requiem: Momento Mori). And DaBomb to my carpet for catching my graceful girlfriend during her first attempt at Amnesia.

    • iluvgamez on September 3, 2013

      I dont think that will work at all. The Problem starts with the “MMO” in the Horror. Like u said, it feels alot scarier if your alone and you are not alone in a MMO.
      Maybe it will work for Kids but for sure not for older people like me. There is nothing ive seen already.
      You did mention Amnesia, one of those “horror” games which (atleast the people said so) scared the **** out of them. If i watche som youtube vids, its clearly kids that scream or are scared.
      After playing it, i really got boring. A really, really bad game like, lets say Myst on DS scares me more :/ Not even “horror” movies are scary anymore because, well, you have seen it all already.

  4. Taz45103/Meatshield on August 30, 2013

    Well see the thing is, All Good Things Must Come to an End. WoW will come to an end and when that happens it will go F2P but as of right now they are pretty comfortable and have no reason to push the F2P WoW out and nothing bad can come from saying they want to go F2P but alot of good CAN. If a game I used to play alot but just wasnt fun anymore was hinting around about going F2P I might start keeping an eye out on the game and see whats happened since the last time i played.. It’s all about PR..

  5. ExHuman on August 30, 2013

    Perfect World new games – all I saw was trailers which is not enough to make an opinion.
    LoL hacked – well, company that spend millions on game tournaments sure cant afford better security for its players.
    Black Gold’s new model – looks like they just decided to post Chinese model and see the reaction. As if it wasn’t that obvious.
    About f2p wow – don’t care, not interested in it. But I would play next Warcraft RTS, if they make it.

    Finally the new mmo setting idea. I really don’t mind good fantasy of sci-fi mmo, but Man! all that mediocre developers turn it to cliche. What I would be interested to see, is vice versa Colonial Age or backwards Western, with Native Americans as protagonists, fighting for their land and home.
    Allso, Ancient Celts, Greece, Rome, Egypt, Scythia, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, India etc, also would make a good theme for mmo.

  6. Retro on August 30, 2013

    what the fffff 17:39

  7. iluvgamez on August 29, 2013

    Nah, i cant imagine WoW going F2P anytime in the Future. This game is so damn old. The people that really wanted to play it, did play it. The people that didnt care about this game to this day (like me) wont give a cent if it goes F2P.
    Maybe it will increase the playerbase the first 2-3 months until those players move back to Aion or even Gw2 if they purchased it.
    It was for a long time the best MMO , specally when it was released back then but lets be honest, there is nothing special at this game anymore today.

  8. Riftmonkey on August 29, 2013

    I paid to play Wow for 8 years before retiring and never had any problem with the p2p model. What finally did me in was the constant changes and dumbing down of the game. I’ve got some great memories but I doubt f2p would bring me back.

  9. Tostos on August 29, 2013

    Yeah, true, but look at TERA, RIFT, SWTOR(although it’s like a trial), Aion etc. had their player base increased, so I’m 100% sure World of Warcraft, will have more than 15M people probably, most games, private WoW servers will be emptier, just because Blizzard have decided to make it that way.More players.I’m sure the player base will increase, and Blizzard will continue to win a lot of cash, although I don’t think they can whine about money, they are all damn millionaires c’mon. 😀

  10. Reavermyst on August 29, 2013

    IF WoW goes Free to play, I think it wouldn’t be very profitable in the long run. Sure it’ll get a massive amount of new players to join in, but for how long? WoW is an OLD game, while it’s competition is aiming on new iterations. What I’d like to see, is for them to go free to play, but also begin work on a new World of Warcraft. Depending on how well they pull that off, people are bound to flock to this new game even if they stick to a subscription! Mind you, they still have to compete with EverQuest Next/Landmark, but at that point they would be capable of competing unlike the current WoW.

  11. ReneClaw on August 29, 2013

    I would like to see a MMO based in a WW2 setting of a large city with crumbling buildings and when you start the game, pick either allied or axis, and then you are parachuted to a random location in the city with your pals and are expected to complete missions set in the city and fight the opposite team.

  12. Eon on August 28, 2013

    I would like to see a modernised fantasy theme somewhat like the coming FFXV in mmorpg market.
    A mordern day environment with skyscrapers and castles fighting mythical monsters using magic, swords and guns.

  13. Deathisnear on August 28, 2013

    I would love to see a cyberpunk MMO. I just love the cyberpunk universe with games like Deus Ex, Akira, Hard Reset, the upcoming Cyberpunk 2070, and even non-video game media such as Cyberpunk 2020, Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep, Blade Runner, and Snow Crash. I don’t think there has been a GOOD cyberpunk MMO. I mean come on there are steampunk MMOs like City of Steam and the upcoming Black Gold so why not do the polar opposite with instead of lots of steampowered thing it will be all high-tech based. That’s all I want

  14. sniperman248 on August 28, 2013

    World of Warcraft I am impressed that they won’t mind going f2p, here’s my suggestion go b2p it would work out very well, trust me if WoW was just b2p I would play like crazy and have fun non stop, and I would buy from that cash shop WoW is an amazing game, but todays market needs it to be f2p in order to afford to play it.

  15. Zilthuras on August 28, 2013

    WoW as been slowly but steadly losing players so at some point it will have to go F2P if the trend doesn’t change, and that’s why they admited going F2P at some point, and don’t take me as a doomsayer because I hate, I actualy love the game, played it for years and think it’s still good, the problem is my freinds stopped playing and that made me lose interest in it. About damaging their current playerbase ofc they will, there will be ppl that leave because of it and there will be ppl that say they’ll leave but won’t and are just trying to cause panic, and there will be lots of ppl coming in, will they stay and support the game? no ideia but as long as they don’t try to sell you loot and then call it bonus loot so you don’t feel like they’re assaulting you then I think it’ll be a good transition.

  16. Lowbie Troll on August 28, 2013

    Wow free To ply? I was starting to miss teabagging!

    HUEHUEHUEUHEUHUEHUEHUEUHUEHUEHUEUHEUHUEHUE

  17. Kraziee65 on August 28, 2013

    I’d like to give my Da bomb to SOE and Planetside2. The dog with fleas has been getting flea baths and now Planetside2 is playable again. There’s still a ton of fleas, but not as much as before. Can’t wait to hop inside a Vanguard and kill some elmo’s for the freedom of space america. New Conglomerate FTW!

  18. devilr on August 28, 2013

    If wow go f2p ,idc,i dont like this game, but i think wow player will disagree this way,all tome b2p or p2p game become f2p is a bad news,i explain:a cash shop appear,making the game p2w,a invasion of immature player (kids …),and stupid rewards for the old player who pay to play.

  19. ugurano on August 28, 2013

    wow best mmo in the world, that game its not way on free i hope

  20. BullsI on August 28, 2013

    I want to see an open world MMO revolving around mecha combat using an Armored Core style. Was that a bit too specific? LOL

    • Seth on August 28, 2013

      This. I have no idea how it would be done, but it would be so awesome if they did it well!!!

  21. Jowns on August 28, 2013

    I really want there to be a Sci Fi sandbox MMO like Star Wars Galaxies was in the later years of its life. It don’t even have to be Star Wars, although I would give it +100 points if EA or Disney gave a Star Wars MMO another chance even though SWTOR still exists. As to why I want there to be a Sci Fi sandbox MMO like Star Wars Galaxies it’s because I really enjoyed the big open worlds being populated by player housing and guild cities with hidden areas throughout the planets often discovered through the questing plus the piloting of ships was awesome. Finally at the end of anyone’s day you could go to Jaba’s palace and chill.

    • SillyNoob on August 29, 2013

      Like SWG Post-CU? You’re a moron sir.

      • Jowns on August 29, 2013

        After the Combat Update…

  22. zakena on August 28, 2013

    not interested in WOW moving on,,,,,

  23. Gah on August 28, 2013

    Nice…”We’re low on hits for this show so let’s make an episode about WoW and we’ll make zero new points on a discussion that’s been happening for years now. At least putting WoW in the title will get YouTube hits for us.”

    Lame.

    • spunkify Author on August 28, 2013

      Uh there was new news about WoW F2P. You should listen to the segment first before making a comment about it.

      • Gah on August 28, 2013

        Let me get this right. The “new” bit was Tom Chilton telling Polygon that F2P makes sense at some point right? This was some “new” acknowledgement on Blizzard’s behalf? Am I right on that being the “new” item?

        If so Blizzard has acknowledged this for YEARS now and if you SPECIFICALLY want an example of TOM saying this he told the SAME thing to PC Gamer back in JUNE of this year, and TOM speculated that they would have to look at the industry trends back in 2009 and acknowledged a possible F2P future for WoW (article on another MMO site that you’ll never allow the link to display for so let me know if you need both links to these sources.)

        Maybe before getting smart with your viewers you should realize that we aren’t stupid and this show has averaged 2k or more less views per week since you took over and you took 9 minutes of WoW conversation, slapped it in the title of an hour long show, and used it to try and draw views. Do a few minutes of research. Just cause it’s new to you doesn’t mean it is actually “new.”

        • spunkify Author on August 28, 2013

          No that was not just the new part. It wasn’t the acknowledgement that I wanted to discuss. It was the reasons behind why Blizzard was taking so long to do so. The discussion of converting P2P to F2P for the worlds largest P2P MMO is one worth having especially since there are still 7+ million people that would be affected by the transition, not just a million or so in other MMOs that convert.

          I am not getting smart with you, I am simply telling you the facts. Whether you liked the news topic or not does not mean it isn’t a valid discussion based on things that occurred THAT week.

          You are the one proposing I think the viewers are stupid not I. I know you guys are very smart, which is why I would not have brought up the discussion had I not had some new information.

          If I would have put any other game from the news topics in the title it would have been the same thing. I try not to go over 10-15m per news article. So the amount of time I spent is irrelevant.

          • Gah on August 28, 2013

            Really? you didn’t even get the point of the article you were quoting. You – “Tom said that WoW would be in trouble if they didn’t eventually embrace that model.”

            What Tom ACTUALLY discussed – WoW would have been in trouble had they not embrased the casual player in Pandaria….and oh btw yeah we’ll go f2p sometime.

            And how did I get the “new” part wrong? In the damn video you said it was “shocking for them to admit..” The “new” part was why they waited so long? THEY ARE MAKING MONEY HAND OVER FIST STILL! Where is the new part of any of this discussion?

            You know what…

            Not even worth the time anymore, you’re never wrong even when you are, loved the argument in last week’s show comments I just read.

            “I don’t think viewers are idiots” yet your first reply assumes I didn’t even listen to the podcast.

            “I know..our show is dying, let’s talk about the same WoW F2P BS that people have talked about for years, offer nothing new to the discussion and make sure we put WoW in the title.”….disappointing. And clearly I’m not the only one that feels this way since on your YT post the MMOBOMB account actually addresses people in a comment on the video who are saying the same “nothing new” thing I am. Later man, I can live with a crappy podcast, but not an arrogant host who thinks he’s always so much smart than his viewers.

      • xcr00k3dx on August 28, 2013

        Spunkify! You should know you’re not supposed to feed the trolls! They evade all logic and reason and feeding them is just asking for your post to be decimated by ignorance!

        Anyways, I got a da-bomb for EA; in particular for the Humble Origin Bundle. They gave out some awesome games for dirt cheap, while helping to raise over $10 million for charity.

        • Gah on August 28, 2013

          Yeah you’re right…THEY brought up a topic that is years old on a dying show to play Youtube view grab and SPUNKIFY comments to me assuming that I haven’t even listened to the show before commenting and I’M the troll….you’re an idiot.

          • Inflictious on September 3, 2013

            I agree with everything you said up there about Spunk.. Sure i browse the emails from the site ..but after MM left .I have not watched 1 video ..Why? I knew exactly what was going to happen and how he was going to be …

            Anywho , Happy Gaming !

            Inflictious

  24. Eik on August 28, 2013

    Why would WoW even need to go f2p? They are doing just fine, even with that slight drop in playerbase, it would survive with it’s current method for at least 10 years.

    • spunkify Author on August 28, 2013

      They want to. We aren’t asking if they have to we are speaking about their intentions to at some point.

      • Aery on August 28, 2013

        Why not make F2P servers and keep the existing P2P servers ? People can still pay to play into the “quote more adult community” or choose to go into the completely f2p servers.

        Win/Win ?

        • Aery on August 28, 2013

          If they do go F2P.

          that will kill over 1000’s of private servers. They might hit over 30 million active players up from 7.

          God help us all if Starcraft follows.

          • sniperman248 on August 28, 2013

            2.2million subscribers so far this year in loss isn’t small, so yes WoW should start looking at f2p.

          • KainDarkfire on August 28, 2013

            All of them ‘cept Vanilla and TBC servers. Because they don’t want to put in three manhours of uploading a server with an archived version of the game for the -many more than they are accounting for- people who want to play nostalgia blinder mode.

            I’ll be honest, I probably would have kept playing if they even did the number game change away from [Armory of Grossly Inflated Numerical Advantage] and take out a piece of their [Toolkit for Poor Game Design]

        • vixion on August 29, 2013

          there’s a bunch of kids in p2p games as well as f2p games, being free to play doesn’t mean that it’s full of kids.

          • Ilkram on August 29, 2013

            In comparison to that of a F2P, P2P has at least a limited amount of kids because at most a large majority of them cannot afford to pay for monthly fees like most older generation do.

            Also a large wide spread fact that P2P usually end up with a much better and longer content as well as bug/patch fixes that come out more often than that of your everyday run of the mill F2P model.

            I’m not saying F2P is bad but there are a lot of games out there right now that literally take forever to fix these issues where as a P2P model often or not gets down to business and resolves it as soon as they can.

            Take Neverwinter for example with their “exploit” of in game currency. that problem was there way before the game went open beta. so why did it take so long to fix it? a rollback of 7 days only means that the players who exploited are gonna stay low and avoid detection while probably still running around with crystals in their pockets where as the honest player would still be grinding to a similar amount by daily quests just to reach the same amount the exploiter has.

        • Varuis on August 30, 2013

          if they do a couple of free 2 play servers and keept original servers, the f2p users must then have some restricitons, all games has that that has gone from p2p to f2p.
          2.2million users has quited wow over 1 year beocuse of many class changes.
          they still has alot of subscribers and with the latest patch (5.4 siege of orgrimmar) already now after 1 year of launch of MoPM, That means to me that they are planning some expansion a litle earlier, the other expansions has been patches and new raids updated for 2 years for each expansion, i think then that they are coming with something big faster to get the players back again as quickly as possible.

        • Varuis on August 30, 2013

          PLUS EVRYBODY WOULD MOVE OVER TO THE FREE TO PLAY SERVERS INSTEAD OF PAY TO PLAY BEOCUSE NO1 WANTS TO PAY ITS OBVIUS…..

      • capoe on August 30, 2013

        They(blizz) never said they wanted to go free to play ,one guy said it would be good if they did later on down the road…2nd…they lost 2.2 or 2.5 million players most of those accounts where from asia and banned players…so on etc.WoW has 8.5+million paying players…that is huge even if it dropped to below 5….Wow is not going to go free till blizz puts out titan.and thats near 2015-16

    • ArcticWolf585 on August 29, 2013

      wow is realy fast losing players and ppl dont want pay for it more if they go f2p they will get much players on some time

    • Anonymous on August 29, 2013

      They probably have ideas on going F2P and making more than they currently do via subs. Currently they cap their income to 15/month per user, where “f2p” models can pull in hundreds of dollars per user monthly (see Neverwinter founder packs for example).

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