If you’ve been following me on MMOBomb for any length of time, you’ll know that I often speak out against “grindy” games. They’re repetitive, often exploitative (“Buy our boost to reduce the grind!”) and generally pretty dull. Games of their ilk have been around forever, usually in the guise of rat-infested MMORPGs, so it baffles me sometimes as to why they can be popular. Certainly I, a distinguished and discriminating MMO player who’s experienced plenty of that style of game would never be interested in such a game again, at this mature point in my gaming life.

Then I started playing Path of Exile. And I love it. I’m just now starting to figure out why, despite my supposed aversion to such games.

It goes back to a post by Joe Posnanski, a sports writer whose work I enjoy. He explained that expectations can make us see something as better or worse than it actually is. In his blog post, he talked about how he was disappointed by a movie that he thought would be spectacular – a four-star movie – that turned out to be only about a two-star movie. On the other hand, a movie he thought would be terrible – half a star, at most – turned out to be watchable enough that he enjoyed it.

Posnanski tried to reconcile how two movies that were, technically, of equal quality – both two stars – could evoke different feelings of satisfaction in him. He admitted it was his expectations that played into it, and I can’t say I disagree. I think we’ve all had similar feelings, about being “pleasantly surprised” by something that we thought would be awful and roundly disappointed by something we thought would be amazing.

Like, you know, an MMO.

Just over a year ago, we had a guest editorial that offered the viewpoint that “grinding can be very important to the health of an MMO, even if there is the ability to add more ‘less repetitive’ content.” The author was a big Warframe fan, which, like Path of Exile, definitely fits the mold of “grindy” and is also a hugely popular game where people don’t really gripe about the grind very much. That point is key – why don’t people gripe about the grind too much? The answer, I think, is expectations.

When I started up with Path of Exile, I didn’t go in expecting a great story, open-world adventures, a vibrant and friendly community … I went in to kick monster ass and accumulate loot. Sure, the story and lore have grown on me and the landscapes are really pretty for an ARPG, and the community … well, it’s not bad, but I haven’t really gotten involved. Still, I went in expecting a grindy, vertical-power, loot-accumulating game, and that’s just what I got. The developers make no effort to hide that aspect of their game – heck, it’s even in the company’s title: Grinding Gear Games. I’d imagine Warframe fans feel the same way about their game.

Now, compare that to an MMORPG, especially one that’s upcoming, like Bless or Ascent: Infinite Realm. You’ll see videos about the beautiful landscapes, the wondrous adventures you’ll have, the tactical battles in PvP, the awesome character customization, and so on. Then you’ll get into it and enjoy some of those things for a while before settling into the inevitable grind. Whether it’s leveling and killing those 10-packs of rats or dungeons and raiding at endgame, they nearly all wind up the same: repetitive tasks, performed over and over, with minimal progress as you go. The very definition of grind.

They don’t tell you about that when you sign up, of course. Nowhere in the videos or blog posts do they list “endless grind” as a game feature (except this one, which boasts that you can do the content “over and over and over and over”). Your expectation in those games is that you’ll embark on grand adventures, not be stuck in the same dungeon for hours a day, gasping for fresh air. We’ve all been there.

This isn’t to say that you can’t enjoy grindy things like dungeon-running, questing, or, as that previous editorial states, “fishing or woodcutting.” Simple, repetitive tasks can be enjoyable diversions from all that world-saving characters are typically tasked with. It’s when it becomes the main focus of the game, or the only way to meaningfully advance, that things get monotonous. You might have enjoyed playing Gwent in the Witcher 3 or fishing in Final Fantasy XV as relaxing side activities, but if those were the primary ways to advance, you’d probably be wondering what kind of game you actually bought. They certainly wouldn’t be the great RPG adventures you were promised.

On the flip side, you certainly wouldn’t be upset at progression based around those elements if you played Gwent: The Witcher Card Game or some kind of fishing simulator game. It’s the same gameplay, but your expectations would be different. It’s like the difference between an “epic open-world adventure” MMORPG that has you running dungeons all day and a game like Path of Exile or Warframe that knows what kind of game it is and isn’t trying to hide it. Or, to put it another way, maybe you’d be better off not believing the surface-level marketing and digging deeper before you get too hyped up over the next big game. Manage your expectations.

the author

Jason Winter is a veteran gaming journalist, he brings a wide range of experience to MMOBomb, including two years with Beckett Media where he served as the editor of the leading gaming magazine Massive Online Gamer. He has also written professionally for several gaming websites.

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  1. RR on July 11, 2018

    Grind is something old and cheap system, put so people stay long in game
    nowadays progression equals grind / real life routine work, MMO game supposed to break boring rl routine we experience not adding another one

  2. Pipi on February 22, 2018

    In my oppinion a game must have random generated loot to keep me playing. In Path of Exile for example you do the same thing over and over again. But I know that every mob i kill could drop an item worth a fortune. It’s a bit like lotto or gambling. Not knowing what items can drop.

  3. Edge Damodred on February 22, 2018

    If your game is designed around grind(a la Path of Exile) then it works out. When your game offers are variety of different activities that all have high engagement but puts lots grind to access them and then to maintain access to them we have a problem. Here we’re doing a lot of boring content to play fun content for a little bit.

    Then of course there’s different kind of grinds. In arpgs you’re endlessly slaughtering monsters until you finally tire out. In quest grinding your constantly shifting modes of play. You’re going from talking to NPC’s to traveling, to kill x until goal met or clicking on Y node and going to the next node but are interrupted by combat. And then you travel back to the NPC and turn in. That constant mode switching becomes mentally fatiguing because your mind can’t get into a rhythm that allows your subconscious to mostly take over, allowing your main focus to relax and look for potential problems.

    Unfortunately Path of Exile’s clearspeed/single stage map meta has ruined mapping for me as I have to keep going back to the hideout, deal with loot, then open a new map. I’d like to see more labyrinth map to map style with a big boss every now and then content put in the end game.

  4. Curst on February 22, 2018

    Knowing what you want and what you can get plays an important role in being able to enjoy… anything in life really. That’s why I’ve been saying for years that “hype” is pure poison, it hurts both players and the game itself in the long run. It only boosts preorders and initial sales, and if that’s the only things developers care about they have no business making MMOs.

  5. time is money on February 21, 2018

    When these games are frequently accompanied by CG trailers that bear no resemblance to the game itself, it’s kind of obvious that you don’t take the marketing at face value. I learned to expect these games to push Korean MMO levels of grinding, but that doesn’t make it any more palatable. I don’t try to justify the time/money sink by pretending that free-to-play games exist in a vacuum.

    I examine the cash shop and get estimates on the length of grinding required to get the actual fun parts. Then I compare to games on a digital distribution store like Steam and decide which is offering better value for my time and money. There used to be some worthwhile F2P games here and there, but nowadays Steam wins every time.

    F2P games rarely sell power items directly in the cash shop anymore because they were shunned for doing that, and rightfully so. Instead, they sell power in sneakier ways like RNG boxes and/or gating power behind massive grind/pay walls. It’s like F2P publishers are run by a cursed monkey paw.

    • Lazflamme on February 22, 2018

      I wouldn’t use stream to play free to play games on there site plus to many developer are depending on that system.

      • time is money on February 22, 2018

        I don’t mean using Steam to play F2P games, I’m using Steam as an example of a place I could buy better games for cheap without being subjected to grinding and microtransaction BS.

  6. Crim on February 21, 2018

    People nowadays want everything super easy plus free stuff all the time.

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