On this week’s show our panel discusses The Secret World’s announcement that F2P may be in their future and then gets all nostalgic on they way betas were. Weekly bombs are dropped, Damina’s Da-Bomb seems a bit self serving, and viewer comments round out the hour. Enjoy!

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  1. I don’t like how the Betas are run these days, like with MechWarrior:Online for instance. To my knowledge, they started this “Founder’s Package” trend, and it’s flat out ridiculous.

    It’s even worse when games go into beta but never make v1.0 until a year(Or more) after it’s launch. Blacklight:Retribution has been out a while and is barely APPROACHING 1.0.(0.980 I believe was what I’ve seen last) A game is not fully launched until it reaches 1.0 AT LEAST in my opinion.

    A-bombs to “Founder’s packages” and any “buy for beta” deals. It started with Devs paying gamers to test their games, then it’s free, NOW we have to pay? Screw that noise!

    Second A-bomb goes to Zombie for allowing Blacklight: Retribution to launch unfinished and for not making 1.0 MONTHS after it’s launch.

    Finally, Da-bomb to you guys at MMOBomb for being on top of the F2P news. You guys deliver on your work all the time and with quality!

  2. Hey F2P cast, greetings from Denmark (Im a He btw). As always love the show and hope you keep going for as long as you can and will. Its a quest of inspiration to listen to your views on the subjects at hand, as you look at it from different angles and thus changing atleast my initial views on the games.
    Ps: Need replays in the future of Damina playing the different upcoming horror games. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Question of the week:
    For the one year anniversary, have Brimm and Havok duke it out in the ring, dressed up in sumo suits and ofcourse shoutcasted by Magicman and Spunkify. >.<

    A-bomb: Its a big title so maby abit of flaming coming my way (equip flameproof jockstrap)
    League of legends.. I love the game, the company, the competetive scene around and the champions but: Well over 100 champions but still only 1 map used for 5v5.. come now Riot, atleast a few other skins for the original map and a rotation for it would really help.

    May the loot be with you!
    Tyreal out

  3. you pay for betas now because people are so desperate to get in a beta they will do anything to get into it. so companies are thinking why not make those fools pay 50$ for a beta.
    company: ha ha these fools! we should be paying them too test out our crappy games and give bug reports on them. But they paying us too test out our games AND give feed back. that’s a win win.
    people; omg omg omg i got into the beta. wtf this game has so many bugs.
    me: yes people its a f$@king beta. might as well pay for a pay to play. and then again the free to play item shop is always pay to win. if i get into this shit now this will be long so ama stop.

  4. Hiya guys 1 year WEWT!!!!
    A BOMB For beta’s and trying to make money of us honestly i noticed this trend seemed to start with firefall (ie founders pack) now everyone will copy this.
    Da bomb for I….urrr i guess nothing oh wait brimms reaction to 8 bit anything

    I say for the anniversary a special live 3 hour show. I proberly wont be able to catch it cause im uk but w/e that’d be awesome to see.

  5. I am gamer for a long time and i was in alot of betas till now. The betas change to speedrun release just to milk more money and change nothing, since people dont give feedback and dont force developers to change anything, users will pay anyway so what for waste money on changes??

    Gamer market changed to “support unskilled and brainless people”. When i first time played games they were a challange, required some player skill/reflexes, gave lot of fun and satisfaction in competing something in it. Now games are made in a way that even playing with your foot toe you will still win with ease. People like that lower the pressure on developer at making really good game (ex. diablo3 fail) since they have no idea what gaming is supposed to be.

    • Amen to that.. Worst part is that even with soo many games catering to the zombie-state-drooling-down-the-chin group of gamers, theres still so much failing going on(mostly multiplayer ofc). People are just being sloppy and not putting much effort into it, even when the game can be played by a well trained hamster

  6. what’s the time gap between you guys record and upload? coz it’s kinda funny… that you guys posted the news about TSW might F2P, and then the post an episode asking if it’s going to F2P. and THEN (don’t remember how long)… finally discuss TSW might go F2P.

    • Hi,
      Each show is recored on SUnday or Monday night then is posted that same week on Wednesday or Thursday. TSW was part of our weekly question in Sunday’s recording and the story about TSW’s interview came in a few days later by sheer coincidence. The following wee we took our question AND the story and put them together on this show. Blind luck on when publishers comment on things is funny sometimes! ๐Ÿ™‚

  7. s’up Bombers and f2p-cast

    so what has happened to Beta-Tests? It sure is one thing how companies use, treat and call their tests and another thing what gamers do with it. Don’t underestimate the hordes of Bored Gamers who are constanly looking for something new to spend their time on. They have allready tried out everything that exists up to date and then try to get into Betas just for the sake of having something new. Companies became aware of that and that lead to this date’s Betas with a minimum of feedback turning into actual changes, because they don’t expect any kind of input from the Bored Gamer.
    The RaiderZ-pack with the Neverwinter-access however adresses this topic too well. It’s like “We know you won’t be playing our game for long, here have the next one to try out”. It’s unethical imo. Has the world seen a car-salesman who offers you keys for cars in development state if you buy a brand new one?

    A-Bomb to RaiderZ for not officially confirming the leaked Assassin and Archer arctypes.

    Q. of the week: I suggest taking the mmobomb community to storm a f2p mmo and have us create new characters while recording. Hundrets of new chars in the starter zones, hilarity ensured!

    May your connections be stable!


  8. Wow, I’m so looking forward to episode 52, I’ve been watching your show since the very first episode and it’s nice to see you reach that milestone. I would love to watch another live episode, maybe involving all the cast or most of it at least. Oh… and make it three hours long please :).

    This week I would like to launch an entire nuclear assault of A BOMBS to Funcom not only for disappointing me every time, but for trying to rip me 14.99 Euros a month (roughly 19.18 U.S. dollars) for the Secret Word… and also for Age of Conan before that… Why do I complain? Because I live in Latin America, hell even my country is part or North America, why would I have to pay more for being outside the U.S. and Canada even though I will be using the same servers?… Hell I’ve been paying 15 dollars a month for every subscription based MMO I played since Everquest. The saddest part is that for The Secret World, EA and Origin backed them up, I even bought the “BOX” in local currency at a fair price. I really wanted to like both games, but not ever their billing department got it right.

    Awesome show as always guys!!

    P.D. I really missed the derp of the week :).
    P.D.D. I’m not related to “Awesome Enchilada” at ALL!!

  9. This is the best show for free to play games really detailed with everyones comments

    have you guy heard when star wars the old republic will be free to play and soul and blades will be sub when it moves til they see the way people react

  10. Thank’s for Another Show !

    Question of the week !

    Another live stream with All of the host’s.. I know thats CrAzY, But hey 1st year will never happen again.

    Que’s Music

    Let the body’s hit the floor…. Rawr ๐Ÿ˜€

    But honestly my friend,I will be saying this on your 10th year
    ( 2022 – Brim is the Host and some how you became his side kick …. wtf ! )
    .. Sure has been a wild ride getting all my gaming info from all of you.



    • Just my thought on Payig for Beta’s.

      This very well may be the next ” New Thing ”

      Reason :

      A few years ago i was getting a new game Maybe every 4-5 months.
      There was excitment, You could not wait till it released and players ,Played the crap out of them and went back as soon as it launched.
      This is not the case any more, Gamer’s now have A.D.D. We forget those beta’s and with so many more to come, Alot never go back to those game’s ever again.

      But now this year so far some months have had 4 beta’s at a time.

      With this stated example.. I was so looking forward to FireFall, Have i been back since closed Beta? ( no )
      Do or Did i want to? Yes
      But with all the beta’ sand so many of them, I keep testing them hoping to see the next Big Thing.

      Like you stated about RaiderZ.. Since being in Closed and preclosed Beta, Lvling a few chars, to 30.
      When you go back to the game will you even feel the need now to spend any money in the item mall before you reach lvl 30 – 40 again? or Even be bothered to lvl that high at all?

      I will awnser that for you… Sadly probably Not my friend/
      After GW2, the WoW expansion, novermber is the time for more Beta’s and theseBeta’s of this year to be released.

      So from a company’s view, they already lost you , me and 1000’s of other players wallet’s, Knowing our income is gone from thier pockets.

      Paying for beta..Is the Future of F2P game’s


  11. Hey Dizzyjay, once again, I haven’t followed up on the show much. I hope all is well with you all.

    Lets get to it, Raiderz I have the same feeling you guys had, I like it but I just don’t know why I don’t wanna play it anymore.

    As for black prophecy I just think that game tried to recreate my favorite game: Freelancer Discovery mod(Check it up on youtube.), except they missed all the good part. For example, A Universe with atleast 30 systems and 50+ factions each are joinable by killing who they don’t like or just buy your way to them, you can trade and mine with different system to gain different amount of profit, flying hundreds types of ships from light fighters to freighters to mining ships to battle cruisers, discover alien universes and wreckage, your level is determined by how much your character’s is worth in total. without all those parts the game really was just really ****.
    Check out their site here: http://discoveryfl.com/
    But in the end with all those goodies, EA still shoved a grenade up the original developer’s “you get my point” and cancelled them from making the second one.

    As for The secret world, it all looked good until I saw the combat, then my fire for the game was put out. So I guess I don’t need to further express that.

    As for the betas in the current state, I feel the same way except for firefall. But I been in so many betas they are all the same thing, I really just don’t even wanna do anymore betas, since they’ll just make me not wanna play the game when it actually comes out. And with all those play to beta test stuff going on, I think I’ll just stay in the shadows for now *evil laugh*.

    Therefore, I really hope game developers would put duct tape on their eyelids, to look more into the flaws and problems of a game first, other than money in our pockets first. Wouldn’t you agree?

  12. Again, I find myself agreeing with Damina on TSW’s current business model. Subs alongside a box cost are one thing, but add a cash shop as well….it just doesn’t feel right.

    With paying for betas….I have mixed feelings about it. On one hand, I agree that the term “Beta” has lost its original meaning in terms of testing and that it should be free for the purpose of finding bugs. On the other hand, I would say that if you’re going to charge for betas (given the shift in its meaning), you should definitely offer free beta giveaways alongside the payment option. (eg. Dota 2)

    For episode 52, perhaps go over the top 5 best f2p games of 2012, top 5 greatest f2p disappointments of the year, talk about the the 1 game which has had the most attention since f2p cast’s inception…

    Perhaps for the top 5 best and greatest disappointments, in the few episodes prior, try and get all the f2p cast guests to cast their votes prior and announce them on episode 52. Oh and maybe do a viewer vote as well.

    Enjoyed it, looking forward to the weeks ahead ๐Ÿ™‚

  13. There is one thing that pissed me off about what you were saying about funcom, WTF about AO huh? Man yall have no idea about old school MMO games at all, AO with updated anything will beat the holy hell out of any MMO game to date. So no Funcom does not need to stop making MMO games, they need tp pull there head out of there ass and start on AO. Man i like your show but dam don`t forget about all the games they have, it seems like you only know about the two that they do have.

    I wish i could go on your casting show and just strait up school you on MMO games. I have been playing MMO games since 1997 i have seen things that would make your head spin, so ya if your up for the challenge come at me.

    • Oh and my A bomb goes to old school MMO games before WOW/blizzard come into the picture. Pretty much killed what MMO games were meant to be but ya i have tons more to say let me on the show thou i don`t think you have the guts to do it.

      Da-bomb goes to Old school MMO gamers and the games. Let`s be real your new MMO games post WOW will never be good or better then the older ones.

    • nice to see an MMO player out there with some passion. We actually started playing them at about the same time based on you quoting 1997. And AO wasn’t mentioned because it wasn’t part of Funcom’s statement regarding the results of Conan and TSW being the main driver behind their new focus on games with a smaller development time from now on (which they announce publicly).

      You’re more than welcome to send an email over with the required info to come on the show! you can’t jump in front of others that are already set to appear in this month though by “challenging” though, sorry ๐Ÿ™‚
      You rock!

      • I am mostly mad at funcom for forgetting about AO but that is another topic i guess. Was the first real sci fi MMO game out there with it`s own IP just A bomb to failcom i guess..

        I was 13 thou in 1997 to be fair. That is good i can understand wating behind others that are going to be on the show, i will be turing in for the next show of course.

        I hope i did nto come off as mean or rude but like you said i have tons of passion, in fact so much of it at times it gets in the way. But if i am on the show i promise to of course tone it down. Were do i send the E-mail to?

        • I didn’t think you were rude at all, just passionate ๐Ÿ™‚ I was 16 in 1997 ๐Ÿ™‚ And I’m all for passion, I too loved AO and Funcom’s new direction seems to have all but made a “newer” AO impossible ๐Ÿ™

          Send it to magicman@mmobomb.com!


          • Awesome man, then your pretty much around the same age as me then that is cool. Aye it is very sad and i hate how they are doing that to AO.

            Awesome i sent you on tell me if you get it thou, if you don`t mine is mastersith1@aol.com keep a look out for it or send me one. Sometimes AOL can be messed up.

  14. Okay this is my thoughts on how u should celebrate it… i have two thoughts maybe do both its up 3 u

    1. Episode 52 will become an episode where u do some of the best funniest moments of free 2 play cast ๐Ÿ˜€ so u know stuff that made the community laugh (for me personally when brim was right about SWTOR)

    2. Or u could do a live free 2 play cast (hopefully at a better time for europeans ๐Ÿ˜› not like last time where i had to stay up till 3 am just to watch ๐Ÿ˜› ) and then have like maybe some give aways or something i know u guys dont have a tun of money and stuff to give away but i mean anything u guys can offer u know ๐Ÿ˜› ๐Ÿ˜€ also have some questions like if u answer write u get some mmobomb gold or something

    3. Maybe get a few of the more active mmobomb members join u in the free 2 play cast maybe? not greatest idea but still would be funny ๐Ÿ˜€

    idk if they are good ideas or even creative ideas but its still a good way to celebrate maybe

  15. 40th times a charm?!?!?!?!? We’ll played guys and gal, once again great show! With my job, working 60+ hours a week as a manager of a multimillion dollar a month company, I don’t get much time to unwind. I love to come home and find that there is a new episode posted…..crack a beer and chill out. This show does a great service to gamers. You give honest opinions and are well informed taboot. Keep the content coming!

    Question of the Week:
    One year is a great accomplishment. Do it up! I call for a free2play cast awards show. You could give awards such as Best free2play cast rage! Best member bomb! Best guest host. etc…
    It’d be great to have a show highlighting the best of the year. This way everyone could be involved. All you wonderful hosts, guests, members, and so on, give credit where credit is due!


    • Thank YOU for watching! What’s it like swimming in all that money while listening to the show? ๐Ÿ™‚

      Your idea for show 52 is actually one we were kind of tossing around too! We shall see!

      Thanks for the compliments too! ๐Ÿ™‚

      • Ha! Magic, ooh Magicman…. being a manager there doesn’t net that much residual income. More for building my resume to do something i love.

        If you guys do decide on an awards show let me know. I have some pretty good ideas.

        Much respect you you and all the hosts.

  16. Daminaโ€™s opening comments on Secret World were fierce ! And I completely agree. I subbed to the TSW newsletter while it was in development and was always hoping for a F2P model. I just don’t think it was a good idea for Funcom to release it as a F2P in this current age of gaming (Maybe they were trying to replicate the success of Age of Conan after it went f2p? Probably). If there is no news about The Secret Worlds conversion in the next few months then I will probably give up hope.

    The way you phrased the whole ‘Pay to Beta’ system definitely makes it seem like a ridiculous model !

    Also, I missed the RaiderZ CBT by one day ! >.< So will be eagerly awaiting October 24th !

    Another great F2P cast guys ! Thanks a lot ๐Ÿ™‚

    • P.S: I’d like to give an A-Bomb to the District 187 CBT, I know I shouldn’t complain because it’s so early but snipers seem to be able to get me behind walls!

      My Da-Bomb goes to … that infamous *sigh* that Brim gives before giving a cynical answer to a question !

      • She has no idea what she is talking about to be honest, funcom is doing ti wrong sure but look at games like EQ2,VG,EQ1,LOTRO etc that give you extra points a month for subing. Ya again two of them have no idea about MMO games i am loosing faith in this site. I only watch it for free to play weekly know.

        • Hmmm…don’t the examples you post here actually support her point? Even those games recognize that if you sub theye shoud GIVE you money for what’s in our cash shop…TSW just says “sub, AND spend money in the shop..we want the cash for BOTH”…just sayin

          • In some ways it does but in a lot of ways it does not. It depends on how you look at it to be honest. She is saying you can`t have a sub/ cash shop at all. The games i did list have both but for subing they give you points in doing so.

        • Not to mention that the games you list have a f2p option so a “free and shop” versus “sub and get money for the shop too” makes sense. TSW MAKES you sub AND hits you with the shop. your comparison is actually pretty far off.

        • Quote: “In some ways it does but in a lot of ways it does not. It depends on how you look at it to be honest. She is saying you can`t have a sub/ cash shop at all. The games i did list have both but for subing they give you points in doing so.”

          Fair enough friend! I don;t think she said they can’t, just said in her opinion the shop shouldn’t be an option if you are HAVE to pay the sub. ๐Ÿ™‚

          nice little debate they brought up though. I actually have to agre with Damina. If I HAVE to pay to even get in the game at all a shop shouldn’t even be on the table.

          • Aye it is a nice little one friend, it goes much deeper and way back when F2P games were mostly asian style games thou, I think NA/EU were the first to bring in the hybrid style if i am not mistaken.

            I don`t mind the hybrid as much, the one thing i will aggre with her is the fact is you Buy the game you should not be hit with a sub and a cash shop. That is just way to much.


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