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Here’s an idea that’s sure to piss off current Hearthstone players, but is also something that is almost certainly being discussed as a realistic option in Blizzard’s offices: the removal or restriction of older card sets in ranked play.

In an interview with Eurogamer, Blizzard’s Hamilton Chu and Mike Donais (the article doesn’t attribute the quotes to either man in particular) spoke on the topic of getting new players into the game and how it can be hard when they have to play “catch-up” with players who already have a ton of cards:

“Beyond that [Tavern Brawls], yeah, definitely there are more and more cards entering the Hearthstone system and I think it can be daunting. We don’t have anything we’re talking about right now, but that’s something we talk about internally a lot. Making sure it stays very friendly and accessible for both new players and those who maybe left and want to come back.

“We don’t want this to become more and more of a problem. It’s really important for us that Hearthstone stays very friendly and accessible to new players and players coming back, so we’re kind of thinking about all possible ways we can make sure that stays the case.”

Just a few years after its 1993 debut, Wizards of the Coast faced a similar dilemma with Magic: The Gathering. Older cards were both significantly powerful and becoming rarer and harder to get every day, so the company hit upon a then-innovative notion. It created two tiers of tournaments – one with an essentially unlimited card pool, and one that only allowed the use of cards from the past couple of years. There are now variations within those two formats, but various versions of the second, originally called Type II and now called Standard, have become the dominant play format, used in most tournaments today.

To a college-age or younger Magic fan, these formats have been in place virtually their entire lives, but when they were first announced, the reaction was… well, less than positive, since it essentially eliminated the most expensive cards from serious tournament consideration. All the money and time players had invested in building those decks – and especially the money – were suddenly useless.

(Actually, I don’t think it was that sudden… I don’t recall precisely, but I think the new formats were adopted slowly.)

But Wizards of the Coast was thinking ahead; it knew that, if Magic was going to succeed and thrive and bring in new players, those players couldn’t be expected to shell out thousands of dollars just to have a chance at competing. There needed to be a format that didn’t rely on decade-old, super-rare cards – and it wouldn’t hurt that the format would allow the designers to create newer, less powerful versions of cards to replace broken or unbalanced older cards and essentially “force” players to buy those new cards.

A lot of players threatened to quit. Several did. And 20 years later, Magic is as strong as ever.

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Few CCGs have followed suit, for obvious reasons. They’re afraid to split their small – or at least smaller than Magic’s – player base while simultaneously angering veteran players who are heavily invested in their older cards. It’s a hard Band-aid for any CCG designer to have to rip off.

Chu and Donais, as well as the rest of Hearthstone’s staff, are undoubtedly aware of Magic’s history and the hows and whys behind why it did what it did. And since they’re acknowledging that they’re looking for ways to make it easier for new players to compete with old ones, a split like Magic’s has to be at least a topic for internal discussion. But would they pull the trigger? Should they?

One obvious advantage Hearthstone has over Magic is that there’s never a supply problem. I remember looking in early issues of Scrye, the most-respected price guide magazine in the day (and, in the interest of full disclosure, my former employer), and seeing the Black Lotus, the rarest and most expensive Magic card from its early days, going for around $300 and thinking that was outrageous. Now, a beta Black Lotus in near mint condition sells for $15,000 or more – but hey, at least it comes with free shipping!

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Hearthstone will never have that kind of inflation. Classic packs will always be available for the same price they are now and you can always create a legendary for 1,600 dust.

That said, it still can be difficult for a new player facing an older player with just a moderate collection of cards. And that problem will only be exacerbated through the years, as even slow players (like myself) accumulate years-old epics and legendaries. New players will be hesitant to spend money on the game right away, and it’ll be hard to complete quests and earn gold when you’re getting your face stomped by multiple legendaries every game. The matchmaking system only takes a player’s overall experience and ranking into account for casual games, making ranked play a particularly brutal assignment for anyone who’s behind a few sets.

I like to think that, given Hearthstone’s digital nature, a more elegant solution can be found that doesn’t require set rotation and the effective removal of older cards from the playing pool. Since it only really affects ranked play, it’s arguable that it’s not even necessary. But this is Blizzard, and it’s playing for the long haul. You know that the company will try to do whatever it can to attract new players to its games, even if it comes with some degree of rancor from older players.

the author

Jason Winter is a veteran gaming journalist, he brings a wide range of experience to MMOBomb, including two years with Beckett Media where he served as the editor of the leading gaming magazine Massive Online Gamer. He has also written professionally for several gaming websites.

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  1. Razer on August 7, 2015

    And that is why the only card games I play are of the poker variety.

  2. NanboIsRight on August 7, 2015

    Bam! I love bieng right… But ignored in a Derp world. Their predatory game is p2w on a math formula and rotation that is based on a population level scheme. It was a f2p balamce illusion until time replaces variable in the equation (population bieng a constant or X). And poof! Problem? They need to stop greed. Make all cards availabe in game coin (WITH LOSING COIN REWARD. Not just exp) and sell only skins with League of Legend like model and pewf. Great if not best tcg… But greed…that million dollar orc statue in Blizz HQ…suckers

  3. Blank on August 7, 2015

    I agree and disagree, as a free to play player who reached legend rank recently I am well aware of the current meta and cards that you require to perform decent in ranked play and really I don’t think that this is (removing old cards) the solution , there are a lot of really cheap decks that are considered top tier and even better than control warrior which is the most expensive deck in the current meta, its true that you would need to grind that one deck for what seems like eternity until you could play a different one but you would certainly be able to reach high ranks.
    my recommendations of cheap decks are:
    face hunter, aggro paladin , grim patron warrior (you would need some adventure wings) , mid-range hunter , and zoo (also known as zoolock)

    • Eviil on August 7, 2015

      These kids don’t know anything, just let them complain. doing achievements and dailies is enough to get awesome stuff in one month. I did the math for them a couple months ago inside a hearthstone post in this site. acquired 5k gold in the first month as new player without spending a dime. averaging 2-3 wins in arena will get you dust, gold and pack. these guys just probably jumped into the game without doing research. I sold the golds when I got lucky that I won’t use and created a perfect Paladin deck with dust and just started stomping.

      • EVIIL on August 14, 2015

        THESE KIDS AREN’T AS GOOD AS ME, JUST LET THEM COMPLAIN BECAUSE THEY DON’T PLAY EXACTLY AS I PLAY. DOING ACHIEVEMENTS AND DAILIES EXACTLY AS I DO AND NEVER DEVIATING FROM THE GRIND IS ENOUGH TO GET TYPICAL GARBAGE IN ONE MONTH. I DID THE NO-LIFE-LOSER MATH FOR THEM A COUPLE MONTHS AGO INSIDE A HEARTHSTONE POST IN THIS SITE. ACQUIRED 5K GOLD IN THE FIRST NO-LIFER MONTH AS A NEW PLAYER WHO OBSESSED OVER A CRAPPY CARD GAME WITHOUT SPENDING A DIME BECAUSE DADDY USED HIS CREDIT CARD SO IT WASN’T MY MONEY. AVERAGING 2-3 WINS IN ARENA WILL GET YOU DUST, GOLD AND A PACK OF CRAPPY CARDS THAT WON’T HELP YOU IN THE LEAST. THESE GUYS WHO HAVE A LIFE UNLIKE ME JUST PROBABLY JUMPED INTO THE GAME WITHOUT READING THE COLLEGE THESIS REQUIRED FOR A GAME AS COMPLEX AS THIS. I SOLD THE GOLDS WHEN I GOT LUCKY BECAUSE I BOUGHT A BILLION PACKS WITH DADDY’S CREDIT CARD AND CREATED A PERFECT PALADIN DECK THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH DUST FARMING AND THEN STOMPED NEWBS. I AM SO COOL CAN’T YOU FEEL MY COOLNESS!!!

  4. JapJab on August 7, 2015

    This is ridiculous. This old “complained” is nothing more then new players not wanting to invest effort to learn the game and complain about how many legends the other player has. It has NOTHING to to with how many legendary he / she has but how well you make you deck. And this is something a lot of new players ( and old ) are not capable of doing. Its very easy to start as a new player, learn the game and earn cards for free. I speak out of experience. People that complain that new players cant defeat old player cause they have to many legendary dont belong in hearthstone in the first place, they have clearly no understanding of the game and should look for another game.

    • JAPJAB on August 14, 2015

      WHARLGARBL WHARLGARBL I AM THE BEST AND IF YOU DON’T PLAY THE GAME AND SHUT UP ABOUT ITS PROBLEMS YOU DON’T BELONG IN AND SHOULD GET OUT OF MY GAME WHARLGARBL!!!

  5. wat on August 7, 2015

    Its true in some way. The people who are playing/paying for a few years got all the legendary cards. Their decks are way stronger. I hate when I almost beat a player and then he pulls out his legendary and wins.
    Tavern brawl should also not allow them to bring their decks. Its kinda unfair to the casual players who don’t have good cards.

    • Eviil on August 7, 2015

      You have rush decks with basic card selection and they reach legendary. Explain that.
      Note: the decks don’t have a single legendary card.

      • wat on August 8, 2015

        No I don’t have rush decks. I dominate the battle and they are close to lose the game and then pull out a legendary. Mostly its Ragnaros or Dr. Boom. They only win because of this single legendary which turns the whole game. They start to lose and then bam Sylvanas Windrunner and it either kills my minions or steals them. Great..

        A casual player does not stand a chance against them.

        • Eviil on August 8, 2015

          I don’t have a problem dealing with those cards even with a basic deck. Learn the new meta as it changes from time to time and counter those cards. its best to take your silence or card that destroys cards for those moments. if one in your deck isn’t enough, add a second. unless you’re building a rush deck, you should have more than 1 removal card. in your disposal. Yes its frustrating, question is, whatcha gonna do about it, and build your deck accordingly.

          • EVIIL on August 14, 2015

            I DON’T HAVE A PROBLEM DEALING WITH THOSE CARDS BECAUSE DADDY BUYS ALL MY LEGENDARIES FOR ME. LEARN THE COLLEGE THESIS TO PLAY THIS GAME BECAUSE IT IS SUPER COMPLEX AND CLEARLY YOU CAN’T UNDERSTAND HOW COMPLEX IT IS OMG YOU ARE STUPID AREN’T YOU!!? IT’S BEST TO TAKE YOUR CRAPPY DECK AND USE CHEESY CARDS AND PRAY THAT YOUR CARD DESTROYS CARDS FOR THOSE MOMENTS. IF ONE IN YOUR DECK ISN’T ENOUGH, SPEND REAL MONEY AND BUY LEGENDARIES SO YOU DON’T SUCK ASS. YES ITS FRUSTRATING BUT THAT’S THE BEST CAUSE YOU PAY AND BEAT LOSER NEWBS WHO HAVE A LIFE SO WHATCHA GONNA DO ABOUT IT?!?!

  6. Eviil on August 6, 2015

    It’s not even that hard to catch up. I crafted my entire Paladin deck in 4 weeks. These kids complain way too much.

  7. RavorsMalody on August 6, 2015

    preps laser printer. Ill have this shit down to 50 cents in a week.

  8. TORK on August 6, 2015

    Mounted

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